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Guns-and-Ammo Tax Likely to Land in Court

Cook County wants 5 cents for every bullet sold • An open letter to Pat Brady from a guy who gives Democrats money • A Rod Blagojevich legacy: All Kids doesn't fly right, either

The NRA and a suburban gun dealer say Cook County's proposed taxes on bullets and guns will probably land in court.

Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, saying there is too much violence in Chicago, wants a 5-cent tax on every bullet sold in the county and a $25 tax on every gun sold.

Dave Workman, of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Bear Arms, told the Associated Press that gun-rights advocates will not stand for this.

"It's not the law-abiding citizens stacking bodies like cordwood in Chicago; it's the bad guys," he said.

The tax also could drive business out of Cook County and into the collar counties.

"Who's going to come to Tinley Park to buy ammunition?" asked Fred Lutger, owner of Freddie Bear Sport in Tinley Park, saying his customers, mostly hunters and cops, will look elsewhere to buy their bullets.

Preckwinkle said the money raised by the tax — projected at $1 million — will offset the cost of medical care for gunshot victims treated at county hospitals.

"Why should we be paying for gang bangers shooting each other?" Lutger said.

The tax plan, revealed Thursday, faces skeptics on the county board. Commissioner John Fritchey said a lawsuit would cost the county more than the tax would raise.

"I don't think a nickel a bullet will cause a shooter to rethink pulling the trigger," he said.

NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the NRA "will jump on this issue" and a lawsuit is a definite option.

"Eyes are on Chicago and Illinois right now," he said.

  • More: Read more on the proposed taxes on guns, bullets, video gambling and cigarettes in

Pat Brady Thinks This Democrat Likes Him: Seems like every other telephone call is a campaign robocall lately. It's annoying that our democracy has come to this, but it's got to be doubly so when you're a Democratic political operative and the Republicans keep calling to ask for your vote and your money.

Will Caskey runs 3rd Coast Research, a Democratic research and campaign consulting firm. Illinois Republicans are ramping up the robocalls this election, and Caskey says he's getting a lot of them. So he dashed off an open letter to Pat Brady, chairman of the Illinois Republican Party, via his blog:

Pat:

We need to talk.  It is not that I don’t appreciate the attention.  I got a good laugh out of it back in August when I got a robocall from Rep. Joe Walsh urging me to go to his town hall, as if I haven’t called him and his voters every nasty name I can think of, here and elsewhere. ... And don’t get me wrong, it is fantastic that Republicans are finally getting on board with people voting; I was of the distinct impression you view voting and access to it with suspicion at best.

But here’s the thing: you need to find whoever sold you that data file and 1) get your money back and 2) hit him with a blunt object.

I don’t know how I managed to get into your database of likely supporters ... The fact is, I don’t belong there.  Ever.  ... I’m a Democrat.  I’ve voted in four out of four Democratic primaries.  My household is double 4/4 D.  In layman’s terms (no offense, it just seems like you need this spelled out) it is likelier that I am going to spontaneously levitate and set people on fire with my mind than I am to vote GOP. Not only that, I give Democrats money!  I give them a LOT of money! ... And on a final note: I didn’t get an absentee ballot.  I didn’t request one.  I’ve never, ever voted absentee.  So that robocall you just sent me today urging me to remember to send in the absentee ballot you mailed me is, well, gibberish.  

All Kids is a Costly Mess: As governor, Rod Blagojevich said All Kids would be part of the legacy he left Illinois.

But IllinoisWatchdog.org reports that the children's health insurance program he created has spent thousands of dollars on ineligible people, and the program didn’t investigate why children received multiple pairs of eyeglasses they didn't need.

All Kids allows parents who do not qualify for Medicaid to obtain lower-premium health insurance for their children. A state audit found it's not eligible for federal reimbursement and cost the state $85.7 million last year, an increase of $11.3 million from the previous year.

The audit also found that hundreds of people received medical services after their 19th birthday when they were no longer eligible; hundreds of others were enrolled with more than one identification number; and thousands were categorized as “undocumented,” even though they had Social Security numbers on file.

As of fiscal 2011, more than 97,000 children were enrolled in the expanded All Kids program. Total claims paid that year were $96.6 million, and the state received about $10.8 million in premiums. The whole All Kids program has 1.9 million enrollees, for whom the state paid $3.2 billion in claims.

Patch on Politics appears on the Patch network throughout Cook, Will, DuPage, Kane and Kendall counties.

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Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 05:10 AM
Hey Albert Gazalooch, Moneka (Mokena voter) isn't a threat to anyone's intelligence. Rush got hooked on prescription drugs a few years ago because of some medical issues. It was widely thought that he was doing so in an illegal manner, acquiring the meds. that is. Moneka is all played out. Doesn't probably have the understanding or ability to learn so he dropped out.
Mike Fangman October 26, 2012 at 07:09 AM
Um, yes Reagan did blame Carter. Obama's record: -authorizing the operation to take out bin Laden -getting the Affordable Care Act passed -investing in infrastructure with ARRA He would've gotten more done with a cooperative Congress. And don't give me the BS about him having a majority in Congress for two years either. He did not have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. By the time Al Franken was seated after the recount in Minnesota, giving the Ds the required 60, Ted Kennedy was lying on his death bed and in no condition to vote. Then Kennedy died, Deval Patrick appointed a temporary placeholder, and then Congress went into recess. Then, in the special election, Karl Rove and the Koch brothers flooded money into Scott Brown's campaign fund to basically buy Ted's seat.
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 07:47 AM
Hey Mike Fangman, No Reagan didn't go on blaming Carter the way BO has with Bush. He ran on his record but you probably were too young to know that. You are so BooWhoo. BO didn't do much but push through an unread Obamacare, Not affordable care act and use the standard Chicago machine of redistribution or distribution of QE1 and 2. Obamacare: 2000 Pages and 1 Trillion Dollars has already pushed healthcare rates higher than they should be and will head much higher if it were to stay intact. He is the worst President in modern history if not the worst of all time. He can't run on his own record "hope and change" and seeks to demonize as a way to be re-elected. He will be replaced very soon. Good luck with that Mike.
Chronicles of Bob October 26, 2012 at 01:43 PM
Reagan would have voted for Obama over romney... And that's "no joke."
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 02:55 PM
Chronicles, you're obviously thinking of Carter, you know Jimmy the one that Jimmied the country. You have made such a fool of yourself.
Tired of the B.S. October 26, 2012 at 04:06 PM
COB How could you possibly know who Reagan would vote for? Since Reagan has been dead since 2004, he could not vote for either candidate. Unless the dead can now vote....wait a minute, are we talking Chicago politics where even the dead can vote? I do remember when Sam Donaldson asked "Mr. President, in talking about the continuing recession tonight, you have blamed mistakes in the past and you have blamed the Congress. Does any of the blame belong to you? Reagan answered, "Yes, because for many years I was a Democrat."
Mike Fangman October 26, 2012 at 06:51 PM
No joke, I rarely do this, but you have forced me to quote "Billy Madison": What you have just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 07:39 PM
Mike Fangman, Funny Mike, you're very funny. Can't stop laughing. You're words have become mindless chatter. To bad you don't understand what you have stated. BO is the Worst President running. Hahaha, still laughing.
Mike Fangman October 26, 2012 at 08:05 PM
Did "Barry" (as you right wingers like to call him) drive the economy into the ground for eight years? No. Has "Barry" tried to get the economy going again? Yes. Has "Barry" been obstructed at every turn by the party whose Reaganish policies brought down the economy? Absolutely. You guys keep trying the same thing over and over, expecting a different result each time. Learn from history. Republican economic policies DON'T WORK!
Mike Fangman October 26, 2012 at 08:13 PM
Let's do the math. Between 1981 and 2009, the Republicans held the White House for a whopping 20 years (eight years each under Reagan and Dubya and four under GHWB), broken up only by Clinton's two-term presidency. Under each of the three Republican presidencies, the economies hit all-time lows. Under Clinton's presidency, the economy did quite well.
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 08:30 PM
Oh Mike, I have never called Obama "Barry" but you have. Look, he is an OK guy but doesn't understand what it took to get the country out of a recession. He went with printing trillions of non-backed dollars. Now your dollars are worth less than they were before he took office. Do you understand this simple policy. Canada didn't take that road and are far better off today. First of all, Barney Frank was probably told not to run for office this election because he was one of the main reasons for easy money that lead to the housing collapse. The Bush administration tried unsuccessfully to have that practice stopped. The democrats wanted the easy loans that lead to the bubble, Mike. If Obama has been such a great President he could run on his record but that's not the democrat's way. Demonize, putdowns and smoke and mirrors that's what the administration is running on. "Tired of the B.S." stated it well when he posted the fact that Ronald Reagan did take part of the blame as he said he used to be a democrat. I know of many other people that understood that Reagan was also sincere in stating he used to be a democrat because they used to be one also. Just look at the way Chicago is run, that's all you need to do to realize the one party democrat system doesn't work very well if at all without corruption.
Chronicles of Bob October 26, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Oh my god im so embarrassed... no joke said i made a fool of myself.... have you read your own posts? Now those id be embarrassed about.... and thats "no joke"
Chronicles of Bob October 26, 2012 at 08:42 PM
I do know because he told me. Myself, mr reagan, tu pac and eddie ( from eddie n the cruisers) were sitting around watching elivis perform and he said, "chron, (thats what he called me) "i know i was a rep president, but this tool mitt is no republican. Obama is more like me that this idiot. Oh and i loved you in fight club."
Tired of the B.S. October 26, 2012 at 08:53 PM
Be careful, COB, you are starting to sound like some others that post here. I hope that you won't start to post in CAPS or to tell us what the true religion is. It is bad enough that there are already a couple of crazies on this board, we surely don't need another.
Edward Andrysiak October 26, 2012 at 11:21 PM
This thread started discussing the 5 cents a bullet tax proposal. Now, buying out of state is one answer. Another is for users of a lot of ammo to simply reload...as they probably do already. And then we have what always happens when government restricts or taxes to much...black market! Reloaders can make a buck! It's a stupid move by Crook County. How can we "disconnect" from Cook...anyone have that answer?
Elm Forest October 27, 2012 at 12:37 AM
COB your posts have no reasoning, neither do you. Go on and babble on and on and on. No one listens when they know you're without basis as "Tired of the B.S." has pointed out.
Tired of the B.S. October 27, 2012 at 12:44 AM
Hey, don't try to drag me into your disagreement with COB. I actually thought his dead Reagan, Tu Pac, and Eddie (actually laughed out loud from that one) was pretty funny.
Elm Forest October 27, 2012 at 01:26 AM
Tired of the B. S. Sorry if you think that. I didn't see it as humorous but a bit lame. Then again, I guess it's going to be a field day for everyone when RCN does it.
Sarah October 27, 2012 at 01:37 AM
Jeez--I need to move if all of you people have guns in such close proximity to my house. This was disturbing.
Jeff October 27, 2012 at 01:39 AM
Yes, you pobably should. I for one would help you move.
Chronicles of Bob October 27, 2012 at 01:57 AM
No joke... lighten up... me and tbs have disagreed and agreed on things... thats the point... i disagreed with u and automatically im a fool...
Elm Forest October 27, 2012 at 02:11 AM
Whatever, but everyone knows that Reagan wouldn't have voted for Obama in Obama's lifetime so why post it? To be funny? To find someone to argue with? It's hard to take anything you post seriously, so I guess that's your point... understood.
Chronicles of Bob October 27, 2012 at 06:55 PM
So now you speak for everyone. You sure are a know it all. Yes, regan would have chosen obama over mitt. No way he supports romney ryan.... a couole of dumb asses at best. Regan bailed out banks, expanded govt and had support of many unions...
Tired of the B.S. October 27, 2012 at 07:05 PM
Hey COB, I only speak for myself and I did think your TuPac thing was very funny, but I wonder, since you say that Reagan had the support of many unions, do you think he had the support of the 11,000 union air traffic controllers that he fired?
Chronicles of Bob October 27, 2012 at 08:46 PM
Not after he fired them. He did have support of many. Firing them was for totally differnt reason to what happen in wisconsin... my point is ryan, romney santorum aiken and others are not the rep types that i would support or liked at one time.
Elm Forest October 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM
You are hilarious Bob! But living in a bubble.
Chronicles of Bob October 28, 2012 at 02:43 AM
Thanks... well you would obviously know best.
Annette Kay October 28, 2012 at 06:39 PM
From the NRA: Criminologists of all political persuasions, in over a dozen studies, estimate that firearms are used for protection against criminals several hundred thousand to 2.5 million times per year, often without a shot fired. This is a staggering statistic, but it's not one you are likely to hear on the evening news. Why is it that you don't hear about the homeowner who defended his family before the police could arrive; or the shopkeeper who saved his own life and the lives of his customers; or the woman who stopped her own rape and murder; or the teacher who stopped the school shooting? Yet when a single criminal goes on a tragic rampage, that's ALL you hear about, over and over and over again, along with angry cries to ban firearms. Why? Is the NRA wrong? Maybe the solution for Chicago is arms training for the gang members so they learn how to shoot straight and how to accurately identify other gang members before they aim and fire. Please, just being facetious. They will get guns and bullets because they always have.
Homewood Jim October 29, 2012 at 03:58 PM
.”The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” ~Thomas Jefferson
jay hauptenauer November 25, 2012 at 11:02 PM
20,000 gun laws on the books in the USA. Every town and village has their own confusing restrictions. One more law (tax) will fix all the problems?

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