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Guns-and-Ammo Tax Likely to Land in Court

Cook County wants 5 cents for every bullet sold • An open letter to Pat Brady from a guy who gives Democrats money • A Rod Blagojevich legacy: All Kids doesn't fly right, either

The NRA and a suburban gun dealer say Cook County's proposed taxes on bullets and guns will probably land in court.

Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, saying there is too much violence in Chicago, wants a 5-cent tax on every bullet sold in the county and a $25 tax on every gun sold.

Dave Workman, of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Bear Arms, told the Associated Press that gun-rights advocates will not stand for this.

"It's not the law-abiding citizens stacking bodies like cordwood in Chicago; it's the bad guys," he said.

The tax also could drive business out of Cook County and into the collar counties.

"Who's going to come to Tinley Park to buy ammunition?" asked Fred Lutger, owner of Freddie Bear Sport in Tinley Park, saying his customers, mostly hunters and cops, will look elsewhere to buy their bullets.

Preckwinkle said the money raised by the tax — projected at $1 million — will offset the cost of medical care for gunshot victims treated at county hospitals.

"Why should we be paying for gang bangers shooting each other?" Lutger said.

The tax plan, revealed Thursday, faces skeptics on the county board. Commissioner John Fritchey said a lawsuit would cost the county more than the tax would raise.

"I don't think a nickel a bullet will cause a shooter to rethink pulling the trigger," he said.

NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the NRA "will jump on this issue" and a lawsuit is a definite option.

"Eyes are on Chicago and Illinois right now," he said.

  • More: Read more on the proposed taxes on guns, bullets, video gambling and cigarettes in

Pat Brady Thinks This Democrat Likes Him: Seems like every other telephone call is a campaign robocall lately. It's annoying that our democracy has come to this, but it's got to be doubly so when you're a Democratic political operative and the Republicans keep calling to ask for your vote and your money.

Will Caskey runs 3rd Coast Research, a Democratic research and campaign consulting firm. Illinois Republicans are ramping up the robocalls this election, and Caskey says he's getting a lot of them. So he dashed off an open letter to Pat Brady, chairman of the Illinois Republican Party, via his blog:

Pat:

We need to talk.  It is not that I don’t appreciate the attention.  I got a good laugh out of it back in August when I got a robocall from Rep. Joe Walsh urging me to go to his town hall, as if I haven’t called him and his voters every nasty name I can think of, here and elsewhere. ... And don’t get me wrong, it is fantastic that Republicans are finally getting on board with people voting; I was of the distinct impression you view voting and access to it with suspicion at best.

But here’s the thing: you need to find whoever sold you that data file and 1) get your money back and 2) hit him with a blunt object.

I don’t know how I managed to get into your database of likely supporters ... The fact is, I don’t belong there.  Ever.  ... I’m a Democrat.  I’ve voted in four out of four Democratic primaries.  My household is double 4/4 D.  In layman’s terms (no offense, it just seems like you need this spelled out) it is likelier that I am going to spontaneously levitate and set people on fire with my mind than I am to vote GOP. Not only that, I give Democrats money!  I give them a LOT of money! ... And on a final note: I didn’t get an absentee ballot.  I didn’t request one.  I’ve never, ever voted absentee.  So that robocall you just sent me today urging me to remember to send in the absentee ballot you mailed me is, well, gibberish.  

All Kids is a Costly Mess: As governor, Rod Blagojevich said All Kids would be part of the legacy he left Illinois.

But IllinoisWatchdog.org reports that the children's health insurance program he created has spent thousands of dollars on ineligible people, and the program didn’t investigate why children received multiple pairs of eyeglasses they didn't need.

All Kids allows parents who do not qualify for Medicaid to obtain lower-premium health insurance for their children. A state audit found it's not eligible for federal reimbursement and cost the state $85.7 million last year, an increase of $11.3 million from the previous year.

The audit also found that hundreds of people received medical services after their 19th birthday when they were no longer eligible; hundreds of others were enrolled with more than one identification number; and thousands were categorized as “undocumented,” even though they had Social Security numbers on file.

As of fiscal 2011, more than 97,000 children were enrolled in the expanded All Kids program. Total claims paid that year were $96.6 million, and the state received about $10.8 million in premiums. The whole All Kids program has 1.9 million enrollees, for whom the state paid $3.2 billion in claims.

Patch on Politics appears on the Patch network throughout Cook, Will, DuPage, Kane and Kendall counties.

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Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 04:10 am
Hey Albert Gazalooch, Moneka (Mokena voter) isn't a threat to anyone's intelligence. Rush got hooked on prescription drugs a few years ago because of some medical issues. It was widely thought that he was doing so in an illegal manner, acquiring the meds. that is. Moneka is all played out. Doesn't probably have the understanding or ability to learn so he dropped out.
Despiser of Vera October 26, 2012 at 06:09 am
Um, yes Reagan did blame Carter.
Obama's record: -authorizing the operation to take out bin Laden -getting the Affordable Care Act passed -investing in infrastructure with ARRA He would've gotten more done with a cooperative Congress. And don't give me the BS about him having a majority in Congress for two years either. He did not have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. By the time Al Franken was seated after the recount in Minnesota, giving the Ds the required 60, Ted Kennedy was lying on his death bed and in no condition to vote. Then Kennedy died, Deval Patrick appointed a temporary placeholder, and then Congress went into recess. Then, in the special election, Karl Rove and the Koch brothers flooded money into Scott Brown's campaign fund to basically buy Ted's seat.
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 06:47 am
Hey Mike Fangman, No Reagan didn't go on blaming Carter the way BO has with Bush. He ran on his record but you probably were too young to know that. You are so BooWhoo. BO didn't do much but push through an unread Obamacare, Not affordable care act and use the standard Chicago machine of redistribution or distribution of QE1 and 2. Obamacare: 2000 Pages and 1 Trillion Dollars has already pushed healthcare rates higher than they should be and will head much higher if it were to stay intact. He is the worst President in modern history if not the worst of all time. He can't run on his own record "hope and change" and seeks to demonize as a way to be re-elected. He will be replaced very soon. Good luck with that Mike.
Chronicles of Bob October 26, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Reagan would have voted for Obama over romney... And that's "no joke."
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 01:55 pm
Chronicles, you're obviously thinking of Carter, you know Jimmy the one that Jimmied the country. You have made such a fool of yourself.
Tired of the B.S. October 26, 2012 at 03:06 pm
COB
How could you possibly know who Reagan would vote for? Since Reagan has been dead since 2004, he could not vote for either candidate. Unless the dead can now vote....wait a minute, are we talking Chicago politics where even the dead can vote? I do remember when Sam Donaldson asked "Mr. President, in talking about the continuing recession tonight, you have blamed mistakes in the past and you have blamed the Congress. Does any of the blame belong to you? Reagan answered, "Yes, because for many years I was a Democrat."
Despiser of Vera October 26, 2012 at 05:51 pm
No joke, I rarely do this, but you have forced me to quote "Billy Madison":
What you have just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 06:39 pm
Mike Fangman,
Funny Mike, you're very funny. Can't stop laughing. You're words have become mindless chatter. To bad you don't understand what you have stated. BO is the Worst President running. Hahaha, still laughing.
Despiser of Vera October 26, 2012 at 07:05 pm
Did "Barry" (as you right wingers like to call him) drive the economy into the ground for eight years? No. Has "Barry" tried to get the economy going again? Yes. Has "Barry" been obstructed at every turn by the party whose Reaganish policies brought down the economy? Absolutely.
You guys keep trying the same thing over and over, expecting a different result each time. Learn from history. Republican economic policies DON'T WORK!
Despiser of Vera October 26, 2012 at 07:13 pm
Let's do the math. Between 1981 and 2009, the Republicans held the White House for a whopping 20 years (eight years each under Reagan and Dubya and four under GHWB), broken up only by Clinton's two-term presidency. Under each of the three Republican presidencies, the economies hit all-time lows. Under Clinton's presidency, the economy did quite well.
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 07:30 pm
Oh Mike, I have never called Obama "Barry" but you have. Look, he is an OK guy but doesn't understand what it took to get the country out of a recession. He went with printing trillions of non-backed dollars. Now your dollars are worth less than they were before he took office. Do you understand this simple policy. Canada didn't take that road and are far better off today. First of all, Barney Frank was probably told not to run for office this election because he was one of the main reasons for easy money that lead to the housing collapse. The Bush administration tried unsuccessfully to have that practice stopped. The democrats wanted the easy loans that lead to the bubble, Mike. If Obama has been such a great President he could run on his record but that's not the democrat's way. Demonize, putdowns and smoke and mirrors that's what the administration is running on. "Tired of the B.S." stated it well when he posted the fact that Ronald Reagan did take part of the blame as he said he used to be a democrat. I know of many other people that understood that Reagan was also sincere in stating he used to be a democrat because they used to be one also. Just look at the way Chicago is run, that's all you need to do to realize the one party democrat system doesn't work very well if at all without corruption.
Chronicles of Bob October 26, 2012 at 07:36 pm
Oh my god im so embarrassed... no joke said i made a fool of myself.... have you read your own posts? Now those id be embarrassed about.... and thats "no joke"
Chronicles of Bob October 26, 2012 at 07:42 pm
I do know because he told me. Myself, mr reagan, tu pac and eddie ( from eddie n the cruisers) were sitting around watching elivis perform and he said, "chron, (thats what he called me) "i know i was a rep president, but this tool mitt is no republican. Obama is more like me that this idiot. Oh and i loved you in fight club."
Tired of the B.S. October 26, 2012 at 07:53 pm
Be careful, COB, you are starting to sound like some others that post here. I hope that you won't start to post in CAPS or to tell us what the true religion is. It is bad enough that there are already a couple of crazies on this board, we surely don't need another.
Edward Andrysiak October 26, 2012 at 10:21 pm
This thread started discussing the 5 cents a bullet tax proposal. Now, buying out of state is one answer. Another is for users of a lot of ammo to simply reload...as they probably do already. And then we have what always happens when government restricts or taxes to much...black market! Reloaders can make a buck! It's a stupid move by Crook County. How can we "disconnect" from Cook...anyone have that answer?
Elm Forest October 26, 2012 at 11:37 pm
COB your posts have no reasoning, neither do you. Go on and babble on and on and on. No one listens when they know you're without basis as "Tired of the B.S." has pointed out.
Tired of the B.S. October 26, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Hey, don't try to drag me into your disagreement with COB. I actually thought his dead Reagan, Tu Pac, and Eddie (actually laughed out loud from that one) was pretty funny.
Elm Forest October 27, 2012 at 12:26 am
Tired of the B. S. Sorry if you think that. I didn't see it as humorous but a bit lame. Then again, I guess it's going to be a field day for everyone when RCN does it.
Sarah October 27, 2012 at 12:37 am
Jeez--I need to move if all of you people have guns in such close proximity to my house. This was disturbing.
Jeff October 27, 2012 at 12:39 am
Yes, you pobably should. I for one would help you move.
Chronicles of Bob October 27, 2012 at 12:57 am
No joke... lighten up... me and tbs have disagreed and agreed on things... thats the point... i disagreed with u and automatically im a fool...
Elm Forest October 27, 2012 at 01:11 am
Whatever, but everyone knows that Reagan wouldn't have voted for Obama in Obama's lifetime so why post it? To be funny? To find someone to argue with? It's hard to take anything you post seriously, so I guess that's your point... understood.
Chronicles of Bob October 27, 2012 at 05:55 pm
So now you speak for everyone. You sure are a know it all. Yes, regan would have chosen obama over mitt. No way he supports romney ryan.... a couole of dumb asses at best. Regan bailed out banks, expanded govt and had support of many unions...
Tired of the B.S. October 27, 2012 at 06:05 pm
Hey COB,
I only speak for myself and I did think your TuPac thing was very funny, but I wonder, since you say that Reagan had the support of many unions, do you think he had the support of the 11,000 union air traffic controllers that he fired?
Chronicles of Bob October 27, 2012 at 07:46 pm
Not after he fired them. He did have support of many. Firing them was for totally differnt reason to what happen in wisconsin...
my point is ryan, romney santorum aiken and others are not the rep types that i would support or liked at one time.
Elm Forest October 27, 2012 at 09:02 pm
You are hilarious Bob! But living in a bubble.
Chronicles of Bob October 28, 2012 at 01:43 am
Thanks... well you would obviously know best.
Annette Kay October 28, 2012 at 05:39 pm
From the NRA: Criminologists of all political persuasions, in over a dozen studies, estimate that firearms are used for protection against criminals several hundred thousand to 2.5 million times per year, often without a shot fired. This is a staggering statistic, but it's not one you are likely to hear on the evening news. Why is it that you don't hear about the homeowner who defended his family before the police could arrive; or the shopkeeper who saved his own life and the lives of his customers; or the woman who stopped her own rape and murder; or the teacher who stopped the school shooting?
Yet when a single criminal goes on a tragic rampage, that's ALL you hear about, over and over and over again, along with angry cries to ban firearms. Why? Is the NRA wrong? Maybe the solution for Chicago is arms training for the gang members so they learn how to shoot straight and how to accurately identify other gang members before they aim and fire. Please, just being facetious. They will get guns and bullets because they always have.
Homewood Jim October 29, 2012 at 02:58 pm
.”The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
~Thomas Jefferson
jay hauptenauer November 25, 2012 at 10:02 pm
20,000 gun laws on the books in the USA. Every town and village has their own confusing restrictions.
One more law (tax) will fix all the problems?
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
Laurel June 17, 2013 at 07:20 pm
THEN SHOW US THAT BACK ROOM! And not just once. We all know about how the Department of AgricultureRead More classifies pets and the sub-standard housing and feeding requirements they have. Anyone who purportedly loves animals and rescues them would know this and aspire to rise above the bare minimum requirements an offer these companion animals some comfort. Yes, we have heard about your so- called adoption and the procedures for getting your so-called adoptable rescue dogs. Basically, just go to the so-called foster's house fill out some paperwork and get your dog that same day. Hmmmm... pretty shady indeed and anyone who uses the term "rescue" when they are keeping animals in these sub-standard conditions is the lowest of the low. No rescue on earth would work with you or should I say no legitimate rescue would work with you.....
cherylkkirk June 17, 2013 at 08:02 pm
Add "liar" to your list of "credentials," Tammy. And what's this court dateRead More about on Thursday morning?
Back room of the Puppy Parlor
Ida Mccarthy June 17, 2013 at 09:47 pm
OH, and two weeks ago, she closed her store early when we protested on a Wednesday night. At 6:00Read More sharp, there were two seriously falling down drunks banging on her back door. Dogs barking, afraid in the back room. She was gone, so they went around to the front and started banging on the front door. I am surprised they made it there, they were holding on to each other to stand up. What is she doing in that store that drunk people bang on her door when she is closed? Just what is going on in this place?
Dianne Arp June 17, 2013 at 09:53 pm
Roseanne Lynch - it takes time to shut down businesses by protesting them. At our protestsRead More potential customers come to us and look at the information we provide; the facts about Puppy (Mill) Parlor. They get educated about the LIES PMP tells. And are disgusted by the pictures and Dept of Agriculture reports we show them. They are thankful that WE saved them from consumer fraud and from buying a sick and dying puppy mill puppy from Puppy Parlor and spending thousands of dollars in vet bills on that sick dog. The Village of Lisle has the power to stop this kind of fraud and animal abuse from happening too; to protect potential customers - yet they continue to allow this to continue in your town. The question you SHOULD be asking is - why are your Mayor and your trustees allowing a fraudulent business, that is also cruel to animals and abuses them, in your town? Puppy (Mill) Parlor is Lisle's black eye. And I think THAT alone does more damage to the downtown area than any group of protestors exercising their first amendment rights.
Roseanne Lynch June 18, 2013 at 12:22 pm
I have watched this protest unfold and watched these postings intently. This is a seriouslyRead More degenerating strip mall. The restaurant on the end has been empty for most of the past 4 years, the gas station is closed and fenced. It has nothing to do with Puppy Parlor or your protests. I have wondered how much of your protest is issue-based and how much is personal and from the postings in response to mine I can see that it is just personal. Being a Lisle business owner myself and being a curious and intelligent person I have checked the facts on this place of business and even though you all consistently call for complaints to be made there are none at this time. The owner has cooperated with the Illinois Department of Agriculture and there have been no citations. There are many people with happy, healthy dogs from Puppy Parlor, many more than have been sold "sick and dying" dogs. Unfortunately that happens but it would not be better if these dogs were taken to a shelter. I would truthfully be appalled if the Mayor were to stop a legitimate business from operating just because a few people don't like the owner of the business. Believe me, I do not like the owner either. I went there 4 years ago to purchase a Maltese puppy and I thought she was actually overbearing in her protection of the puppies. I purchased a dog elsewhere and that was my choice but I do respect the right of a business owner to operate a legitimate business and I do respect the other business owners and the Landlord of the property also. As far as your group getting grants to help put this woman out of business...seriously, what about a grant (or donation to West Suburban Food Bank) for the 100 or children who go to bed hungry every night in the Lisle-Woodridge area?
Lisle WatchDog June 12, 2013 at 05:57 pm
Tornado sirens in Joliet...22 miles from Lisle...
Lisle WatchDog June 12, 2013 at 07:05 pm
All Metra BNSF trains westbound delayed.
Lisle WatchDog June 12, 2013 at 08:36 pm
Funnel cloud pics Naperville...posted at 8 pmRead More http://naperville.patch.com/groups/announcements/p/storm_1eb456ae
Darren McRoy (Editor) June 10, 2013 at 01:45 pm
Patch posts mugshots as part of reporting on police actions. We can never be paid to removeRead More mugshots, and thus are not an "extortion website." We can always update articles and report on future developments in the adjudication process.
Maureen June 10, 2013 at 11:49 pm
kindly directed at the editor~ Sorry Mr. Editor, you will get no Mia culpeas from me. I findRead More your practice of posting large head shots on this site appalling and yes it's definitely a form of cyber-bulling and possibly putting innocent people's identity at risk. Other neighboring suburbs post the local police reports without the need of a picture. Many local area Patch.com sites post the names , their offense and where he/she was apprehended. That is sufficient. But as I observed under the previous editor, not only did the Lisle Patch allow one to read the names, offenses and location as provided by the Lisle Police. The Patch website also included pictures, ages and addresses of those cited. Thats when the Patch crossed the line. I'm sure you're aware of internet catfishing. You know where one's picture can be lifted and reposted elsewhere without their knowledge or consent. While I am thankful that you do not ask for monies to remove headshots , how can you guarantee the citizens of Lisle will not become victims of these other parasite websites? Yes, these folks may have used poor judgement . But sometimes nice people do stupid things. Hopefully it's a one-time incident. As much as I believe in the First Amendment , I believe a responsible editor balances FOIA with a person right to privacy. Who wants their children , neighbors , minister or potential employer finding one's headshot on a website like this. Especially should the case be thrown out and/or the person is found innocent. If Springfield legislates this correctly I would hope that you could not post pictures and other identifying information unless the person is found guilty.
Lisle WatchDog June 12, 2013 at 03:12 pm
Yet, the State of Illinois proposed its own "Tollway Website of Shame"?! Those that votedRead More against the tollway website of shame cited that people could get named on the site even if someone else was running up fines with their car. And Illinois website would also be an "extortion-style" site where people have to pay to get their name removed from the website. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130604/news/706049727/
Speaking up for the dogs in the back room of Puppy Parlor
jd June 15, 2013 at 02:37 pm
Good for you guys! The Lisle Puppy mill is run by sick human beings, and there's a special placeRead More reserved in hell for them, on account of thier horrific abuse and neglect of animals. I will join you next Sat if you protest again!